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Hellboy

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With a signature blend of action, humour and character-based spectacle, the saga of the world’s toughest, kitten-loving hero from Hell continues to unfold in Hellboy 2:  The Golden Army.  Bigger muscle, badder weapons and more ungodly villains arrive in an epic vision of imagination from Oscar-nominated director Guillermo del Toro (Pan's Labyrinth, Hellboy).

After an ancient truce existing between humankind and the invisible realm of the fantastic is broken, hell on Earth is ready to erupt.  A ruthless leader who treads the world above and the one below defies his bloodline and awakens an unstoppable army of creatures.  Now, it’s up to the planet’s toughest, roughest superhero to battle the merciless dictator and his marauders.  He may be red.  He may be horned.  He may be misunderstood.  But when you need the job done right, it’s time to call in Hellboy (Ron Perlman).

Along with his expanding team in the Bureau for Paranormal Research and Development - pyrokinetic girlfriend Liz (Selma Blair), aquatic empath Abe (Doug Jones) and protoplasmic mystic Johann—the BPRD will travel between the surface strata and the unseen magical one, where creatures of fantasy become corporeal.  And Hellboy, a creature of two worlds who’s accepted by neither, must choose between the life he knows and an unknown destiny that beckons him.

Main Man Ron Perlman explains what life is like being Hellboy…  

How was it coming back for the second time as the rough and tough superhero with a heart, Hellboy?It was a total groove, man. The fact that the first experiment worked on a comic book character that was even a secret to comic book aficionados and with a cast that didn’t include anybody but fringe, independent, low-budget actors was pretty cool and then, to be asked back for a curtain call? It feels triumphant.

Why does the kitten-loving superhero with anger management issues hold such appeal for you?There are tons of characters I want to play, but none more so than Hellboy. You can’t tire me out when it comes to his evil deliciousness.  Plus I get to work with Guillermo del Toro who is one of the most brilliant men in film today.

What do you think it is that separates Hellboy from all of the other comic book based movies?I think partially it’s Hellboy’s lack of earnestness. He’s a complete underachiever who takes very little seriously. Even when he’s in the middle of a life-threatening situation, he’s still not serious. He’s trash talking and wisecracking because he just doesn’t care that much. He doesn’t care about the stuff people tell him he needs to.

And that’s the reason for his enormous appeal?Exactly. He doesn’t do anything by the book; he’s a real rebel. Also, let’s not forget he is a total slob. Hellboy is the most self-indulgent, undisciplined adolescently minded hedonist of any of the superheroes that are out there. He is a superhero who is not in control of the forces that surround him and I think that makes it more interesting to watch than somebody who is always in control.

In Hellboy II: The Golden Army, Hellboy grows up in many ways during this film. What did you think of the character’s dramatic arc?This was a little bit daunting. In the first one, he was mostly all swagger and attitude and one-upmanship. In this film, he’s emotionally compromised because he is looking at a world without Liz Sherman in it. He comes to realize that the world isn’t all that good to him, under the best of circumstances. Without her, there’s not a whole lot of reason to be sticking around. We’re seeing a much more emotionally compromised and vulnerable side of this guy whereas we might have suspected he didn’t have that side. She introduces a few things to him, which come as a total surprise for which he is completely unready.

You’ve worked with Guillermo del Toro in four films now. What is the reason the two of you work so well together?It’s always great. I’m sure there are people who might think they are bigger fans of Guillermo than me, but I don’t think so. I’m a huge fan of his. He appreciates the approach I take to stuff too so there is mutual affection for one another’s process. In Hellboy II, this was the most specifically he ever directed me because he had some very idiosyncratic, kinky way that he wanted this material regarded. I hadn’t thought of it that way and nor would I have thought of it like that in a million years.  But Guillermo does and therein lies his brilliance. We both have such an enthusiasm for Hellboy and when we work together, we’re like two ingredients that work well in a salad.

You’ve said in the past that you relate to Hellboy in many ways. What similarities do you share with him?I’m a slob. I’m pretty self indulgent, a hedonist and I’m pretty undisciplined. I like to mix it up with the guys and I like a little trash talk now and again. I’m pretty cynical too. I’ve got that New York thing happening because that’s where I grew up. Maybe that’s where the similarities end, but that’s plenty (laughs). That’s a good foundation to build off.

Have you ever felt like an outsider like Hellboy?Oh, very much so. I had my problems as a kid. I was about 300 pounds by the time I was 12 years old and that’s around the time when you start getting interested in asking girls out. I felt like I was not worthy and had pretty low self-esteem so I understand the outcast impulse. I understand the not good enough feeling that makes you think you’re in this all by yourself. It’s a lot of years later and I don’t feel those things at all anymore, but to play Hellboy I remember those feelings and I draw upon them.

How physically exhausting is it to play Hellboy?This was physically very hard for me. It was six months, six day weeks, averaging 17 to 19 hour days. It was a challenge, which went to all of our cores, but for some reason at this point in time when it’s all done and we’re riding in limousines to premieres, all of it has melted away. I only remember the good stuff now.

How long does it take for you to be transformed into Hellboy?Not that long and in no way shape or form is it burdensome. I regard it as being adorned and for me; it’s an honorable transformation out of which comes the better self. By the time I finish up lacing up that last shoe and I’m walking onto the set, there’s a power that comes with having all that paraphernalia in place. You feel invulnerable.

You sound like you genuinely enjoy the process. What’s your secret?Well, the reason it works for me is there is nothing I enjoy doing more than sitting around doing nothing and that’s what you have to do when your make-up is being applied. When I’m doing nothing, that’s when I’m happiest. That’s why Hellboy and I are so intertwined – lazy, underachievers (laughs). Nobody bothers me when they’re putting the make-up on me and I like that.

Who was your hero when you were growing up?I’m not a comic book guy. I never read comic books when I was growing up, but I was a movie buff. My heroes were Marlon Brando, Cary Grant and Burt Lancaster. Those are my three big heroes. Among the women, there was really only one – Audrey Hepburn. I think she was the most beautiful woman who ever graced the screen, not just physically but in every way. In terms of sport, I loved Mickey Mantle and Muhammad Ali.  I love Frank Sinatra too.

If there is a Hellboy III, what do you hope happens?I hope I’m able to walk (laughs). Guillermo is supposed to be going off now until the year 2013 to do The Hobbit and if you do the math and you know how old I am, it’s a real concern as to whether I’m going to have to do the whole thing from a chair or even an iron lung. We’ll see. But as long as Guillermo is making Hellboy movies, I’ll be there.

Hellboy II:The Golden Army is showing at the Odeon Cinema, Riverside, from Tuesday 5th August. To book tickets go to www.odeon.co.uk or call 0871 22 44 007.  

What's it like returning to play Liz in Hellboy II: The Golden Army? Did you have any reservations about reprising the role?No. Not one. How could you ever have reservations working with Guillermo? This is what an actor dreams of, anyone working in film. He is the best there is.Anything he does he’s good at. I sound like a sycophant, but it's true.

The first Hellboy film was a huge success. Why do you think Hellboy holds such wide appeal?I think it’s a shock to girls that Hellboy is so funny. I’m sure with the first one, some were dragged by their boyfriends thinking 'Oh God, this is some weird horror movie I don’t want to go see'. But he’s funny and he’s sexy. He’s just like a regular guy.

So he's more relatable than the perfect superheroes we're used to seeing?Yes. I think he’s so completely relatable.  He’s in these absurd situations and his girlfriend bursts into flames and there’s a guy who looks like a fish who is walking around.  There are very strong themes in Guillermo’s movies which are so serious. It’s not like anything the title would suggest. There’s Hell and Boy, one’s a scary place and the other, boy, is an adorable image. Even the title is funny.

Hellboy is probably not every girl's ideal mate. Do you agree?He’s a really flawed regular dude (laughs). He’s a guy, but he’s big, red, he has horns, a tail and he’s also just a big sloppy grown up kid.

Why do you think Liz falls so hard for him?Liz and Hellboy have known each other since she was an adolescent and they’ve had a bond ever since. There’s just an instant love between the two of them. He’s funny, he’s charming and he goes all out. When he wants to do something, he gets the job done. He’s loyal and a good guy. He’s also a softie and he loves his kittens. There’s a lot to love about him.

The Liz we see in the sequel has grown up and changes a great deal. Were you happy to see a different Liz in Hellboy II?I was really happy for it. Liz is so different in this one than in the first. In the first, she was like playing a teenager. She was sad and was really uncomfortable in her life.   She was trying to move forward.

She didn't have an easy childhood, that’s for sure.Yeah. She’d had a lot of trauma in her life. The power of her being able to create fire hurt and killed people she loved including her family. She was really traumatized and didn’t ever want to use that power again. By the end of it, she had clearly fallen for Hellboy and used her power to save some people so she was kind of redeemed. In the second one when we see her, she’s clearly matured and she’s not hiding behind her hair or her big clothes. She’s just a really functional capable woman who is fighting with her live-in boyfriend. She’s fighting with him because she has no room to put all of her black pants apparently, you know? (laughs) He has 900 cats and she’s nagging him, he’s wrong and she’s right.

What do you relate to most about Liz?I think she’s very loyal to the ones she loves and her group of friends. She’s kind of a misfit and a little anti-social. She’s also a bit brooding at times.

Is it true Guillermo doesn't use as much CGI as what other directors would for a film like this? For example, he builds fantastic sets where in other films the director might rely on animators to fill the background later?Yes, that's so true. His sets are always incredible. On both Hellboys I was blown away when I walked on set. The costumes are so detailed and impressive as well. It is so great to be an actor on his movies because the surroundings really help you believe you are in this fantastic world. You're basically living inside the brain of this brilliant director.

There are so many complex action scenes in the film, what scene would you say was the most difficult to shoot?I'd say one of the first action scenes in the movie. It takes place in the auction house and I have a gun. I know how to shoot a gun because my sister was a police officer so she taught me how to use one safely, but it is so different when you're using them in a movie. You have to pretend to be shooting one so you have to mimic the kickback after you fire it. I was so bad at it! Doug Jones is in the scene too and he was the same as me. Guillermo would call us 'Selma and Louise' and that made us laugh even more. There were times when we were trying to do this serious scene where we are being attacked by these creatures, but Doug and myself were rolling on the floor laughing because we were so bad at it.

What would Guillermo say?He'd laugh too. I'm sure he wondered if we'd ever be able to get through it. Luckily we did and if you watch the movie, you'd swear Doug and myself were professionals with guns. I guess that's why Guillermo is one of the great directors. He made us look so good.

You've now made two Hellboy films and there are rumors of a third. Looking back to when you were first offered the role, what did you know about the Hellboy comics?I didn't know anything about Hellboy, but I knew a lot about Guillermo. When I heard Guillermo wanted me in the film I said 'yes' without having read a script.  Then I looked into Hellboy and knew it would make a fantastic film, especially with Guillermo directing. He has the most incredible vision.

What was your favorite Guillermo film before Hellboy?My favorite was The Devil's Backbone. It’s incredible.

So if Guillermo asked you to do a third Hellboy film, would you be in?Sure. Try and keep me away! There's a big surprise in the film - I won't say what because I don't want to spoil it - so I would like to see how that turns out. Guillermo has told me a little bit about what he would do with the characters if he makes a third. Personally, I'd like to see how my character, Liz, deals with the changes in her life. There's a lot of potential and growth for my character.

There was about a four-year break between the first Hellboy and the second. Was it hard to slip back into being the fiery Liz?It was actually harder than what I thought because Liz has changed a lot since the first film. She is a lot more aggressive this time. It also takes a lot of imagination. Because I am the only actor in most of the scenes without prosthetics and make-up, I would have to do a lot of scenes by myself. Ron and Doug and the others would leave the set to get their make-up off, so it would be just me shooting the scene and Guillermo guiding me through it, explaining where everyone else would be.

What's Ron Perlman like on set? He's such a big guy and in between scenes he's still wearing the Hellboy costume and makeup so it must be odd to have a normal conversation with him while he's in character.Ron is a great guy. He really is. And you're right. It is funny looking at him. There would be times between scenes when you'd look over at Ron, he'd be in full costume and make-up, and he'd be smoking a cigar and singing Frank Sinatra songs.

Do you have a favorite scene from Hellboy II?Sure. I love the scene in the troll market. When I watch that, I get a real sense of joy. It reminded me of watching Star Wars for the first time when I was little. I had a sense of amazement at watching all these monsters. You don’t see things like that anymore. We’re so used to all these CGI (computer generated) monsters. To see real puppets with animatronics, it makes them seem real. That was thrilling for me.

Hellboy is like no other superhero. He's flawed. He has personal issues. Is that what you like about him and why film audiences can relate to him?Yes. He's the ideal version of what I'd love to be. He's a noble brute. When I was a kid I wanted to grow up to be Spider-Man or Superman. Now I want to grow up to be Hellboy. He's my hero.

Is there any of you in Hellboy?Yes there is. He is completely autobiographical.  Everything that has happened to Hellboy has happened to me. Well, not everything.  I think his relationship with Liz is similar to the relationship I have with my wife. I do believe I'd much rather die for my wife than wash the dishes. It is a conclusion you come to - I've been married 25 or so years - and you do know it's easier to die for someone than to live for someone. Everyday life, taking out the trash, looking after the kids, that's everyday work. Heroism is easy. Hellboy knows that. It's easy for him to go after the four storey tall giant, but what is difficult is when his wife is angry with him. He's nervous.

There was a four year break between the first Hellboy movie and the sequel. Why such a long time between films?The screenplay alone took two-and-a-half years.

So the characters are all different sides of your own personality?Just like in the comics. They are all different sides of Mike Mignola because he is the true creator of the characters. But, once I take them into film, much to his desperation, they become different characters (laughs). They become parts of me.

How does Mike feel about it?I'm sure Mike has some ambivalence, but I'm sure he appreciates it too. He has a big hand as a creator and a big opinion. He is essentially the only guy who I listen too. Everyone else can pretty much go to hell (laughs).

I read a quote from you that you have a fetish for insects, clockwork monsters, dark places and unborn things. Is that true?That's true. I think you become what you are in your first 11 or 12 years of your life. The rest of your life is about handling it. The first 11 or 12 years define who you are. I think it is possible to change, but the primary colors you are handed remain with you for the rest of your life. I was exposed to all of those things - clockwork monsters, insects, unborn things...

Unborn things?Yeah. It is not a pleasant anecdote, but I was (laughs).

When you were young did you want to be a director?No. It was quite the opposite. I was already directing when I found out what directors did. What people were telling me when I made my little crappy super 8mm films was: "Why are you wasting your time on fantasy and horror? There are no Mexican directors doing big movies in those genres". There were a few exceptions, but they were on the art house circuit. I started thinking, 'Why isn't there anyone doing the big movies?' I thought the only way to face the impossible is by not acknowledging it. If you go to slay a dragon with only one sword and think, 'But the dragon is so big and my sword is so small' it's a pretty bad way to start a fight. I was stubborn. I had a terrible decade, between Cronos and The Devil's Backbone. That was a terrible decade. Now, it looks like I've done some damage on the dragon. I haven't won yet, but I'm stabbing the dragon.

You sound like you're pretty hard on yourself, is that right?Yes. I'm terrible. I'm the worst guy to live with.

But, are you proud of yourself when you see Pan's Labyrinth or the Hellboy films?Yes I am. You know what I think when I look at Hellboy II? I think about how I insisted and fought for the 'II' to be in the title. I'm proud there is a second one. Ten years ago, nobody would have believed you if you said Ron Perlman would be the star of two big studio summer movies. Ron Perlman wouldn't have even thought it.

What did you see in Ron that others didn't because you worked with him before the first Hellboy?Yes, Cronos. I think in this time in film, apart from Ron Perlman and Clive Owen, that the leading men are actually leading boys. There's no Lee Marvins, no Steve McQueens, no Charles Bronsons, no James Coburns. There's none of these guys. Everybody is a pretty, nice, GQ type of boy. There are no movies about men. I don't believe most of these guys had a real life. When I watch action films, and I think Harrison Ford and curiously enough Will Smith are exceptions, they can have blood and sweat make-up, but I imagine clearly their assistant is waiting just off camera with an Evian water and a cell phone. I think Ron has that tough, gruff, blue collar, everyday man persona. He represents the noble two fisted male. Ron is not a classically handsome man, but I think he is a leading man. It's different.

Will there be a Hellboy III?God- willing. I would like to do it.

What was the most difficult scene to shoot in Hellboy II. Does one stand out?The fight between Hellboy and the Prince and the guards in The Golden Army chamber in the end. That fight was pretty rough because it took about nine days of shooting. We used trampolines. We didn't use wires. People thought we used wires, but they are people actually flying through the air.

Why no wires?I'm tired of the look of the wires. I though it would look better. Very few people noticed. It's like the monsters. A lot of people think they are done CGI (computer generated), but that's fine.

How long did it take to make the monsters?About seven months hands on and then the fabrication took a few months more.

Why did you want Doug Jones to play the three roles - Abe Sapien, Angel of Death and Chamberlain?Because he's one of the few guys who can pull it off. I know he will do a great job. I can trust him. I don't trust every actor to get into a suit and do it.

So what is it like when you have to work with an actor you have never worked with before?I hate them. When they first come in, I hate them (laughs). I hate them until they prove they are the right guy or girl. From that moment on I never distrust them. They can be pains in the butt, but I put up with that.

Did your parents have a big impact on what you chose for career?Inevitably. My father is a car dealer. He doesn't care or understand art, but my mother does. When you turn 40, you discover your dad in every gesture you do. I thought 'Oh my God, what's going on'. In the third movie, that will happen to Hellboy. His dad is a very dangerous guy.

Do you have a favorite creature from Hellboy II?I love Mr. Wink (Prince Nuada's monstrous troll henchman). He's one of the most beautiful creatures I have created.

Why is that?He's about 90 per cent, at least, physical. The sculpting is a miracle. The mechanism that makes the expression and the physical, metal glove is fantastic.It's a masterpiece of engineering. It is a masterpiece of sculpting and painting and I didn't have to do any of it (laughs). I can just admire it.

 

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