Kristin Hersh - Throwing Muses
"I was born without the show-off gene that is so dang necessary in this business."
Kristin Hersh has been a hero of mine for 20 years, both for her solo work and her band Throwing Muses, who she's been with since she was 14 years old. She's had several kids, lived with her bipolar condition, written books, recorded absolutely tonnes of music, attempted suicide and was diagnosed as schizophrenic. She's a survivor. A beautiful, creative, intelligent survivor, and she plays with Throwing Muses in Norwich on September 21st at the Waterfront, to celebrate Throwing Muses' new album which come with a special book. I was delighted to have a chat with her...
Something about your lyrics, especially on Hips and Makers, has always reminded me of Sylvia Plath; that kind of suffering being expressed through choice poetic words. Do you have a favourite poet/lyricist?
I tend to hear lyrics as a visceral pattering, like melodic percussion. If they move me, I'm transported by their "truth" which is more like a resonance than a truISM. Brains'll memorize truisms and organize them into something you could follow as a life plan, but the truth of poetry is a moment plus a response.
All words work this way for me, whether I'm reading about an experiment or overhearing a conversation. No idea why this is...
Your four sons have grown up on the road; how have they chosen to move into their own worlds? Are they creative types or fighting against their upbringing and going into the corporate world? Did becoming a mother make you feel more settled as a person?
I became a mother while I was still kind of a child, but it probably saved my life. I stayed restless, I experienced fear for the first time, I was swamped by gravity...but all that humanity is definitely grounding. You rise to its occasion and realize there's no such thing as "hard" when it comes to the work of parenthood - only biological imperative, so physical that it's spiritual.
How do you feel about Throwing Muses now? Perhaps hearing and playing some of those songs hurts a lot and may remind you of some difficult times.
Only the lousy songs remind you of yourself and how lousy you were being when you wrote them ;) The good songs grow up alongside you and walk in and out of the room like old friends, always surprising us with what they have to say.
I feel that the silences within your songs, the parts you don’t say, are as interesting as what you DO hear. You give your vocals lots of space. Do you work on your lyrics a lot or do they flow straight onto the page?
In the atmosphere of the song, one can do no wrong. Take a step to the left and everything gets lame all of a sudden. So sometimes the lyrics fly, sometimes I need the shit edited out of me. 50FootWave songs always look beautiful on the page somehow. The weird part is, they never SOUND beautiful.
Do the subjects of the songs on Purgatory/Paradise differ to what you sing about on your solo work or with 50 Foot Wave?
Wow. I don't know, never thought about it. Probably not, though I've been wrong about stuff like that in the past. To me, the only difference is that I write 50Foot songs on my SG's or my Les Paul, TM songs on my Strat or Tele and solo songs on my Collings acoustics. My drummers call this system: "stupid"
You decided to release your new album as a book and CD format, same as your last solo album. Is this the antithesis of a digital download, which is rather soul-less?
In the ether won't seem soulless for long, once we begin to equate it with where music comes from (the ether), but for now, I like the idea of a gift. Telling someone to listen to a band you like is kinda bossy, but handing them a book is still considered a nice thing to do.
Music fans hold you very dear to their hearts as an artist. Why do you think you are so admired, especially when you don’t try to attract the attention of the press overtly?
Pity ;)
Do you feel you were in any way part of the Riot Grrrl movement, as it was happening right where you were and at the right time for you to get involved? Have you seen the film about Kathleen Hanna’s documentary The Punk Singer about her story and her struggle with Lyme disease? Would you consider doing a documentary in the same way?
The Riot Grrrls were very nice to me; very respectful. I think I'm too shy to let anybody follow me around with a camera for too long. I was born without the show-off gene that is so dang necessary in this business.
I saw you play at Norwich Arts Centre 5 years ago, in a very hot, silent room full of awe. It was a very emotional gig for me. Do you remember being here?
Of course. Thank you for being there, too. That's our church, that kinda room where the listeners engage as much as the musicians. Such an honor to witness alchemy like that.
Purgatory/Paradise by The Throwing Muses (The Friday Project, £11.99) is available now.
Throwing Muses play the Waterfront on 21st September...tickets available from http://www.ueaticketbookings.co.uk.